People whom I met in the spiritual world
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I. Leaders of the communist world
Karl Marx may 19, 1998
Karl Marx lived his earthly life as the chief of evil persons. Why was
he so ruthless? His rebelliousness derived from his resentment over the lack of
recognition he received for what he considered his great and wonderful ideas.
He was not willing to open his mind to discussion because of his awful pride
and arrogance over his thought. Thus, he rebelled against the social system and
his thought provided the raging mob with the foundation for their revolution. I
wondered where such a ruthless person, who was intoxicated with his own ideas
during his lifetime, would live in the spirit world.
It was not easy to find him at first. But then I realized that those of
the same kind flock together, so in order to find him, I asked here and there
for where revolutionaries are to be found.
People who worked for revolution on earth still are intoxicated with
themselves in the spirit world. Around the place where Karl Marx lives there I
found shabby buildings that look like detainment centers for prisoners of war.
In those houses, there were many people who look like remnants of a defeated
army. They were exhausted persons who were laying down because they have
nothing to do, and disabled persons who walked leaning on crutches. Their faces
were spiritless, reflecting the miserable realities of war. Nevertheless, they
were going somewhere. They followed a guide.
Then I heard someone shouting with a loud voice from a high place.
"My fellow citizens!" he shouted, "Let's start again! We cannot
be defeated here. Let's encourage each other and struggle once again! Victory
is ours." He was shouting that sort of rhetoric. The man shouting was the
very Karl Marx.
I waited to meet him at the rear of the audience. Regardless of the
people's difficulties, he continuously insisted that his theory would bring
victory. After his speech, I asked him to meet me for a moment in spite of his
busy schedule. When I asked, he said to me, "What kind of thought do you
represent?" Then I introduced myself, "I am Sang Hun Lee, and I
systematized the Critique and Counterproposal to Communism." He replied,
"I have nothing to do with the Critique and Counterproposal to Communism.
I have no time to talk with you because I am very busy." When he said
this, I responded, "No matter how busy you are, you should not treat me
like that. I waited for you until your lecture was finished." He lowered
his eyes at that, and asked me to sit down with him. He would not let me say
even one word. Fortunately, I was willing to listen to him as he explained his
theories.
He was a great theorist. He talked about his theory without stopping for
breath. Because he strongly insisted on his opinion, I could not open the door
of dialogue. I waited continuously. When he seemed to be ready to finish
talking, I stood up and said that it was my turn. I said, "I, Sang Hun
Lee, am a person who likes to listen to others, but since you have finished
speaking, I would like to offer my opinion." I then talked about the core
contents of the Critique and Counterproposal to Communism. I explained why the
theory of communism failed of necessity.
"Even though your theory is very great," I concluded,
"because it explains nothing about God, who exists as a reality in human
life on earth and in heaven, communism could not but fail. Do you know God?
Without knowing God, you cannot teach about the fundamental purpose of human
life. Without knowing God, there is no peace and eternal life for human beings.
There is only war. Aren't these all the people who were intoxicated with your
thought? Let's look at them! Why do they all live like defeated and failed
people?
"Please follow me. Let's go to where I live and look around that
place. Let's talk continuously on the way. I would like to invite you to my
house today. Please let's go."
When I said this, it seemed that I hurt his pride. So I talked to him
very politely. "I would like to invite you as a guest at my house. I want
to treat you with great respect." He seemed to feel a sense of obligation
to follow me.
While we were on the way, he asked me, "Why did you come here? Why
did you come to me and give me an enthusiastic lecture?" I answered,
"You will find out when you come to my house." When we arrived, he
looked around the beautiful and fantastic natural environment where I live. He
seemed to feel very sad. I guided him to various places and showed him one
special place. I showed him a beautiful vista of a couple loving each other.
Marx was not surprised or embarrassed, on the contrary he was attracted by it;
he seemed to be drawn to them by magnetic attraction. Moreover, on the street,
people's bright and peaceful facial expressions seemed to cause his thinking to
change.
He asked me if there were more places I could show him. I answered,
"How can you see everything in a day? I will guide you to more places next
time." He asked again whether he could live there. His attitude had
changed very much after seeing this world. I came to think that there was a
good chance to speak to him about God. When I said "Only people who adore
and worship God can live here," he said, "Let's go to God." When
I answered, "God is not here," he said "Then I will go to God
and ask some questions. What shall I do in order to adore God? If God gives me
some guidance, I will do exactly what He says." Since Karl Marx's mind had
opened slightly, I began to give him a Divine Principle lecture, pointing out
the errors of his thought. While I was giving the lecture, I could discern from
his facial expression that he was in anguish over the difference between what I
was teaching and his thought. However, I lectured without stopping.
In this way, I lectured him so many times. One day during my lecture, I
suggested that we would have more lectures at his house. He said that he needed
more time before inviting me to his house. However, by the time I finished the
lecture, he said, "Because today's lecture was more interesting than
yesterday's, tomorrow's will likely be more interesting than today's, and the
day after tomorrow's more than tomorrow's. So I suggest that I invite you to my
house when all lectures are finished."
In response, I said to him, "Because it takes much time to finish
all my lectures, let's stop this lecture right now. Then, when your mind really
wants to listen to the lectures again, let's begin again." My intention
was to be able to give the lectures in his home. When I suggested,
"Because your house is too small, so let us do the lecture in your big
yard," his face became cool, and he said, "I know the reason you want
give an enthusiastic lecture there. Anyway, let's have the lecture there."
One day during my lecture, some strange young people entered the room
and asked Marx, "Why do you listen to the lecture all by yourself?"
They said that they wanted to listen also. I thought that it was a good chance
and invited them to come into the room. From here and there, many people
gathered. Then a strange thing happened. Marx's face turned as red as a beet.
He began to cry with his head down in front of the entire audience. He
continued to cry, and then spoke, "My friends who have gathered here! Please
listen to this teacher's lecture." He guided all the people to an open
place. In this way, in a wide-open yard, I came to be able to give various
lectures in the Divine Principle and Critique and Counterproposal to Communism
to many people. Through my lecture, 70-80 % of Marx's followers came to be
favorable. Marx was disappointed about that.
At this time he is very close to me, but he has not reached the point of
accepting True Parents. However, since he is listening to my lectures very
carefully and positively, I believe that he will accept True Parents soon. I
will explain to him that the messianic thought of True Parents is the
completion of all systems of thought.
Lenin
As the leading figure of the communist revolution, Lenin may have been a
contributor to communist countries, but is the lowest person before God. Where
does he live in the spirit world? I have been to his house before. I went there
in order to discuss the Critique and Counterproposal to Communism with him.
Lenin was not so big or tall, but his face was very handsome and made an
impression of strength. He asked me, "What are you going to accomplish by
meeting me?" I answered, "Originally, I had great interest in your
thought. I want to meet you and learn your theory directly from you."
Lenin did not easily reveal his mind and thinking. He said, "I am not so
benevolent that I would speak unguardedly about my thought to a person unknown
to me." He tried to verify my identity. When I introduced myself as a
physician, he responded, "Why does a doctor such as you care about the
disposition of revolutionary?" His mind was not open enough to allow us to
discuss our thinking with each other. So I told him, "Because you are a
very valuable and important person, I am grateful to meet you. I would like to
invite you to my house." He expressed his deep appreciation for me very
politely. So, I told him that I would come back to bring him on the next day.
The next day, I did not enter his house and instead I sent one person to
call on him. Then a strange thing happened. Lenin had disappeared, although he
had promised clearly to meet me. I asked those in attendance when he would come
back, but no one knew. My planning was in vain. Every house around there looked
very gloomy and shabby. Those poor-looking houses stood very close to one
another. Why was he unwilling to meet me? I considered various reasons. For the
next two days, I explored around his house. As I walked, I tried to come up
with some inspiration or wisdom.
After a few days, I discovered a new house among the many houses in
Lenin's neighborhood. It was no bigger than Lenin's was. Lenin and a group
emerged from this house. However, I could pick up that they considered it to be
an uncomfortable or strange situation. Lenin did not display his audacious and
strong features. He seemed to be tense and afraid something. What is the reason
for that? I tried to come up with the reason. In any case, the company came out
of the house and did not go to Lenin's house, but in a different direction. I
followed them, sometimes at a distance and sometimes very closely. As I did so,
I witnessed another situation. Lenin's facial expression reflected that he felt
oppressed by someone. The group scattered and began to walk separately. I did
not want to lose them so I chased them very carefully. They arrived at an
intermediary point and began walking together again. I was wondering what their
final destination would be. It turned out to be a little stream.
There they sat down side by side. Because I had to listen what they were
saying, I went into the water off a little ways and pretended to wash my feet.
I could hear what they were saying. I heard Lenin's voice. "My
friends!" he said, "We have to fight here and gain victory.
Otherwise, all of us will be expelled. A dangerous circumstance is
coming." I heard the voice of a young man. "Even though we are united
into one, because we don't have many members, I think it will be difficult to
win." After that young man's voice, the group was silent for a while. And
then, Lenin's voice was heard again. "If our identity is known to others,
we will be in danger. Therefore, let's move to another place and stay there! If
we move to a small house, we will be safer." I was wondering why they had
come there, and why they had to talk secretly. But my question was answered
soon.
If they had met in their residence, they would have been watched under
close guard. I recognized from their dialogue that in their residence, because
they watch one another, they cannot divulge any secrets.
I returned home praying that I can meet Lenin again in
the near future.
Question (Young Soon): "In the physical world, you drove a car. Do
you walk to witness people in the spirit world?"
Answer (Sang Hun Lee): "Because it is difficult to understand life
in the spirit world, even though I explain it, you may not understand much.
However, I will try. When one walks on earth to get somewhere, you have to walk
continuously, but in the spirit world, since location changes according to
one's thinking, walking has a different meaning. One can ride a car wherever
and whenever one desires it. This is little bit difficult to explain. Even
though you may want to know in greater detail, I will stop here and turn to the
next task.
Stalin
When God created this world, He restricted the capacity of the human
brain and reason. But, Stalin lived his earthly life exercising his authority
as if he were God. He wanted to surpass his restricted status as God's
creature.
It was not difficult to find Stalin. I thought that Stalin would live
near Karl Marx. At a place far away from Stalin's house, many people often
gather together. Stalin attends the meeting and proudly tries to show off his
authority as he did on the earth. The houses that are around Stalin look like
the small houses made of mud, surrounded by fence, which we can see in North
Korea. The people in them live poor lives. All of them on earth had served
Stalin as God. Around that area are desolate and lonely surroundings. There is
a horrible atmosphere that makes you feel as if someone is likely to suddenly
jump at you. You always feels as if you are being watched. How is Stalin
treated? Because he lived like a king on the earth, do the people serve him as
if he is a king in the spirit world?
After watching the surroundings silently for a few days, a person opened
the door of his room and called for someone to come. He was calling for Stalin.
I was anxious about the reason Stalin has to hide and enter the room secretly.
As I watched, a man and a woman entered the room, all the while looking around
fearfully. Then I waited for long time, and no one came out or went into the
room. I changed into shabby clothes and approached the house. I expected that
they would discover me, and I was planning to say, "I came to beg for some
food." I went to the door and listened, and heard a voice say, "I cannot
endure my brethren shedding blood any longer. Let us go back to our families
and have a comfortable lives!" I waited and listened.
Then I heard Stalin's voice. "Before coming here," he said,
"I fought so many times for the sake of my nation and brethren. In light
of that, how can we be defeated? You misunderstand about our situation. If we
are united into one, we can gain victory." Then a woman shouted out,
"Dear king, Stalin! You gave us nothing except suffering and tears. We
cannot follow you or serve you any more." After she spoke, she began to
cry.
Why could they possibly be here? Because most of the people here are
those who protested against Stalin's autocracy, if Stalin's followers apprehend
them, their families have no way to be saved. Therefore, they meet secretly
avoiding observation. However, what is Stalin doing? Why does he work secretly?
It was very difficult to figure out his identity just by observation.
One day I was able to go into his house wearing a mask. When I said,
"I came here to meet the great teacher," a young man came out of the
entrance and asked, "Where are you from? Who are you?" I said,
"I heard that the teacher whom I desired to meet stays here, so I came
here to receive his teaching." I waited for a while, but Stalin did not
come out. Instead, another young man came out and said "Our teacher will
not go to the place where people do not honor him as king." However, at a
moment, a strange thing happened. I was facing the front gate and Stalin
suddenly appeared behind me. As I tried to turn around and look at him, some
young men suddenly appeared and grasped me tightly, shouting "How dare you
come here?" I quickly said to them, "I came here to meet my
respectable teacher. What is wrong with that?" They said, "Show us
your identity!"
I, Sang Hun Lee, shouted out with strong confidence in God, "I am
God's emissary, sent by God. God called me to you." Stalin said,
"Where is God? If you bring God here, I will visit Him." When I said,
"God does not have the leisure to visit an individual family," Stalin
replied, "I also have no spare time. I am very busy." However, the
young men were not willing to release me. So I politely said to them,
"What if I study your teacher's theory right here?" Soon they released
me.
Stalin asked me, "What do you want to know?" Because I had
much interest in his thought anyway, I answered, "I want to learn your
thought." He said, "Then let's begin tomorrow." I countered,
"Because I am here anyway, I want to learn something from you today."
He suggested that we meet at another place, because the place we were in was
not a proper one to discuss theoretical matters. Finally I promised him to meet
the next day and departed. However, when I tried to exit the way I had come in,
the young men held me and threatened that if I returned, I would confront
serious danger.
The next day, I met Stalin at a dark and gloomy place a little ways away
from that place. He was the only one there. When I asked, "Why are you
alone, even though you are a great man?" he didn't say anything. He just
led me to a small quiet room. That room was a secret place that Stalin uses. He
asked me, "Do you really want to learn my theory?" I answered in the
affirmative, but he said that his feeling was not so good and that he would not
be able to give his lecture with much enthusiasm. He said, "Because I live
in seclusion, if I speak about my theory publicly, I will be expelled from this
place. Not many people around here know who I am. So I'm wondering how you knew
me." I said, "Because I work as God's messenger, I have the means to
know." When I said that, he replied that if I would provide him a place to
hide, he would be willing to follow me.
I immediately realized that I had a good chance to open his mind, so I
suggested that he come to my house and teach me his theory there. When I said
this, his face was overcome with fear. His eyes and entire attitude seemed to
reflect his fear that I would torture him. Nonetheless, he asked me to show him
the way of salvation. When I responded, "Rather, I would have you save
me," he said, "All right; I will follow you."
That very day, I guided Stalin and showed him all around where I live.
He saw all varieties of peaceful and comfortable life, beautiful dance and
song, the beauty of all things of creation, and the splendor of God. He asked
me what kinds of people are those who live here. I said that only people who
served God and attended him can live here. Like Karl Marx, he also said,
"Where is God? Please guide me to Him. I am going to serve and attend
Him." When I said that only after studying Unification Thought completely,
can you receive permission to meet God, he urged me to quickly begin his course
of study in Unification Thought. I explained about Unification Thought, the
Critique and Counterproposal to Communism, and the thought of True Parents, and
pointed out in detail the errors of Communism. After listening to my lecture,
he asked, "Where did you learn this?" I replied that I learned it
from the True Parents when I lived in the physical world. So, he said,
"Your parent is very great person and great revolutionary." When I
taught him that my parent is revolutionary, but he is a revolutionary of true
love and the savior of all humankind, he said, "When I was in the physical
world, I also was treated like a savior." I asked, "Then why do you
live a life of seclusion now?" He answered, "Because people do not
treat me well."
He did not yet recognize that his theory was wrong. It seems that I must
take a great deal of time in order to persuade him. He seems to need time to
receive True Parents. However, as long as he pays attention on my lectures, I
believe that there is hope.
True Father and Mother! Please wait for the day of victory. I, Sang Hun
Lee, will reach the enemy of True Parents.
Question (Young Soon Kim): "Stalin killed more people than Hitler.
Nonetheless, Stalin just lives a life of seclusion. Why?"
Answer (Sang Hun Lee): "Mrs. Kim! If one commits sin and lives in hiding, is it happy life? It may be a life of even greater suffering. When one lives in hiding, his is a life filled with fear."
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